Or certain corners of Ohio.

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24 Responses to Or certain corners of Ohio.

  1. Eeek. Tetanus is no joking matter! Except…in certain corners of Ohio.

  2. Chaz says:

    I’m not sure whether the “rust” or the “carnies” is the more terrifying reason to avoid the rides … since this implies an intersection of all three, perhaps it has something to do with rusty carnies?

  3. Stripe says:

    Carnies are cool with me… Rust is a way of life… but,

    Children are best left in the forest at the end of a trail of breadcrumbs.

    Or, I suppose, they could be relegated to certain corners of Ohio. That would make next year’s State Fair nearly bearable…

  4. Bret says:

    a classic recipe for blood poisoning.

  5. Anthony says:

    More like a classic recipe for rides breaking and swirling cars crashing to the earth.
    I think that’s more to the point than the tetanus.

    I for one, would never get on a traveling amusement ride. I don’t get on anything that has wheels and a trailer hitch.

  6. Mike says:

    Less than safe carnival rides put together in a hurry. Recipe for disaster.

  7. scott says:

    wait…those aren’t safe to ride on?!?

  8. John says:

    @Viewtiful_Justin

    Actually, they recently found that tetanus comes from the soil, not from rust. Yay for finally finding out things we didn’t know and making those who pay attention become just a little more skeptical of western medicine.

  9. Tim says:

    @John
    That’s how science works. Its not magical understanding, it’s just a bunch of pretty smart people trying to figure out how things go. Sometimes there’s pressure to publish before everything about a subject is fully known. You can’t throw out an entire system just because of a few errors, unless you’ve got a better one. A certain error rate is acceptable and unavoidable.

    What alternative do you propose? Mainstream medicine has it’s goods and it’s bads. I think it works fairly well. There are other medical systems, and they have a certain amount of validity, but since holistec techniques or oriental medicine or whatever, are much less formalized they are much easier for a crank to abuse.

    I’m not saying that traditional medicines don’t work. They do. Herbs have thier effects, and I believe there are subtle flows of energy that can be manipulated for healing. My Mother is a student of such things, as well as a registered nurse. It puts her in a position to better evaluate ancient teachings, to tell the difference between quackery and the real thing.

    I like my medicine with accountability and accredidation. It’s hard to pretend to have a PhD. It’s much easier to pretend to be an heir to a long tradition of healing stretching back through the ages.

  10. Jamie says:

    Actually, this holds true for *most* corners of Ohio.

  11. Jamie says:

    John, you’re contradicting yourself. Science figured out what causes tetanus. Science is also the basis of Western medicine. There is corruption and bias going on thanks to corporations with clout, but that has nothing to do with the fundamental basics behind medicine.

  12. John says:

    @Tim

    Holistic medicine is actually what I would prefer. The problem with implementing it into western society isn’t with an inability to maintain accountability or accreditation. You don’t have to be from a long line of practitioners to be able to understand it. Practitioners of eastern medicine most often learn from experienced practitioners and texts the same way western doctors do. If social stigmas were dropped, it would be just as easy to teach and regulate eastern medicine as it is to do so with western medicine.

    The problem with implementing it is that many people in the west ignorantly see eastern medicine as being in defiance of western science and/or religions. It is seen as “mumbo-jumbo” despite often times being more effective than western medicine.

  13. John says:

    @Jamie

    I’m not contradicting myself. Western medicine changes it’s claims more often than a pathological liar, and expects nobody to question the validity of it’s claims and almost never makes it known to the public when something they used to say was proven wrong.

    The skepticism comes from it constantly proving that it is far from infallible and yet just as constantly trying to hide that fact.

    2 years ago, researchers in Sweden found that the 8 cups of water a day that has been the standard for the last several decades is technically a low-level water poisoning, causing you to literally piss away a significant amount of vital nutrients, and yet western medicine is still telling people 8 cups a day.

    All you ever hear about milk is that it’s good for you no matter what the age. They don’t bother to tell you that they’ve realized the human body is incapable of processing lactose and that it would be healthier to get the nutrients it provides from other sources. They also don’t bother to tell anyone that they’ve found a correlation between drinking 1 or more glasses of milk a day after you stop growing and developing calcium deposits around the joints later in life, which can cause blood-flow restrictions and can erode the bone underneath the calcium deposits.

    The entire way that western medicine looks at the human body is ridiculous.

    So yes, the misapplication of the scientific method makes me endlessly skeptical of western medicine.

  14. Jamie says:

    “The skepticism comes from it constantly proving that it is far from infallible and yet just as constantly trying to hide that fact.”

    That falls under the category of corporations and industry causing bias–especially in the promotion of milk. The results of studies can be manipulated to support a false claim.

    However, the scientific study of medicine and the use of empirical evidence is what has allowed us to do amazing things like neurosurgery and organ transplants. In your criticism of the faults of Western medicine you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water.

  15. tahrey says:

    @John (4/26 1:29)
    “recently” ??

    AFAIK it’s been known as a soil vectored infection just about as long as I’ve been alive if not longer. But it gets there from a variety of sources so a skin-piercing injury involving rusty metal (which may not have been cleaned any time in the last decade either) is also a valid risk factor. Also animal droppings etc.

  16. Steve says:

    Tahrey is correct. Clostridium tetani, the bacteria which causes tetanus, was isolated in soil, tested, and demonstrated as transmissible in 1884.

    “A puncture wound from a rusty nail causes tetanus therefore rust causes tetanus,” is just a bad assumption based on poorly investigates cause & effect.

  17. Tim says:

    @jamie
    /Holistic medicine is actually what I would /prefer.
    Me too, for some things. Joint pain, sores, any kind of immune system issues, most colds and infections…. I’ll go straight to me mom and ask which herb or tea or poultice to use. Ginger is wonderful on stomach aches. But for an upset stomach, I find that bismuth subsalicylate works fastest, especially if the issue is in the lower digestive tract.

    I love Holistic stuff, if I can be sure it’s real. My problem is that I’ve run into alot of cranks. Like the accupuncturist who made my asthma worse. Some asian carny who just wants to take American dollars in exchange for mystique. I guess by “long line of practitioners” I meant “learned it from someone who knew what they were doing, who learned it from someone who knew what they were doing, etc.

    /If social stigmas were dropped, it would be /just as easy to teach and regulate eastern /medicine as it is to do so with western /medicine.

    I would be just a workable, And I would like it very much if social stigmas would be dropped. I think that would lead to a favorable fusion of the two. Holistic medicine, eastern or western, is NOT regulated. the only way to be sure a doctor is good is to stick with them for a while. ANd that gets tedious and expensive. I think I’m lucky to know someone who is taking a serious look at both sides.

    /The problem with implementing it is that /many people in the west ignorantly see /eastern medicine as being in defiance of /western science and/or religions. It is /seen as “mumbo-jumbo” despite often times /being more effective than western medicine.

    Yes. Unfortunately. I’ve already said I prefer Holistic medicine for certain things. Nettle as a sleep aid, for example.
    Dandelion tea, with a hangover, to both rehydrate and support the liver. Dandelion tastes disgusting tho.:P

    But for setting broken bones? Nothing better than a hospital. Something goes horribly wrong and you don’t know what it is? Hospital. ADHD? Develop mental disciplines based on psychology, and take methylphenidate PRN. Heart problems? DEFINITELY hospital. When I go caving, I don’t carry plantain weed, to stop bleeding, I carry the sciency stuff, because it doesn’t go bad.

    The thing you have to realise is neither of the systems are completely consistent bodies of knowledge, and they are both VERY complicated. often, the public, especially high school students, are educated with gross oversimplifications. Such as the tetanus thing. Tetanus was well understood, but most cases come from old metal, so that’s what common knowledge tells you the source is. As it’s been mentioned already, We’ve known it comes from dirt for over a century.

    As for covering it’s mistakes. Do you want them to loudly announce every little detail they got wrong? who would do the announcing? The scientists doing the work? Often their voices are not heard. Do your eastern doctors announce every time they make a mistake? Do they put every crank on the evening news? Scientific medicine in no way claims to be anything it’s not.

  18. Tim says:

    @john
    Can you give a source for”just found out tetanus comes from soil”"

  19. John says:

    You’re right, pink bismuth does work a lot faster than ginger. However, it is slower acting and many times less effective than it’s holistic predecessor. Greek apothecaries and Cherokee medicine men both would grind the inner bark of willow trees into a powder to be mixed with water and drank. The Salicylic acid in the bark settled the stomach and lower GI, as well as lowering fevers and helping with joint pains. Despite this being more effective, faster acting and cheaper to produce, we still go with the synthetic.

    You’re absolutely right that there are a lot of quacks in holistic medicine in the states. In truth, you will more easily find the quacks than you will actual healers in the states because of the way our laws are. Since western medicine is the only medicine legally recognized, practicing any other kind of medicine will get you arrested on federal charges. But if the government would recognize and legalize the system, people would start to see that for everything short of a life-threatening injury, holistic medicine cures it faster than western medicine and without the side-effects.

    ADHD doesn’t really need to be medicated. Self-discipline compensates for the problems it causes. Heart problem? Most western fixes are based on natural fixes. The ones that aren’t will kill you if you take more than you’re supposed to. Need to stop some bleeding? Again most of the western clot inducing agents are based on natural sources. The difference is that those natural sources don’t have as much of a risk of causing over-clotting to send something up your blood stream.

    Holistic is somewhat inconsistent, you’re right. One plant may be used for a given purpose in one region while another plant is used for that purpose in another region. That’s not because medicine men in one region had it right and the other had it wrong. It’s because each region has different plants to work with.

    Yes. I want the medical community to scream from the rooftops that they had something wrong the same way they do every time they find something new. I don’t know who would do the announcing. When the medical community discovered that we are in the middle of a swine flu outbreak, who did the announcing then?

    I’m not asking to have every crank in western medicine to be put on the news. I want western medicine to actually tell people when the self-proclaimed facts within it change.

    And yes, scientific medicine does claim to be something it’s not. Scientific medicine and it’s practitioners and supporters treat the theories within it as absolute unquestionable fact until the day it is proven wrong. And they have to. How else could they justify criminalizing holistic practices or using treatments that many times either amplify the symptoms they are to be treating or causing more serious symptoms in the process?

  20. Scott says:

    I didn’t know this was a discussion board for faux/pho doctors. I’ll be sure to post any future medical questions here when I’m looking for a sound diagnosis.

  21. Jamie says:

    Scott, this entire post has been diagnosed with Troll’s Disease. It can’t be cured, but treatment involves skipping over any comment longer than two paragraphs.

    The condition is highly contagious, so you should probably ask your doctor for some PC-cillin just to be sure.

  22. ErdTirdMans says:

    lol ionizing bracelets, lol “Eastern” medicine

  23. Tim says:

    Now you are just talking nonsense. Nothing criminal about herbal remedies. I know of no Scientific remedies that Worsen the condition they are trying to treat.

    You contradict yourself in the first two sentences. Pepto bismol is faster and slower acting? lol.

    It seems you contradict yourself. You say that Scientific medicine rejects folk remedies, but you also say that many herbal medicines are used in Hospital medicine. Extract of willow bark, as you’ve mentioned? It’s called aspirin. Doesn’t sound like rejection of nature to me.

    I know chemotherapy is pretty nasty, but do you know of any other way to work against cancer?

    You are a troll, or else hopelessly deluded. I find your use of the term “Eastern” medicine fascinating. Did you know that they have scientific hospitals in Asia? I assure you, sir, they do. The Western hemisphere is not without it’s folk remedies

    @Scott.
    My medical knowledge goes about as far as knowing to take pepto bismol for an upset stomach and tylenol for pain. I’ve never claimed more than that. I’m just an engineer, and only a BA at that.

    Who said anything about ionizing bracelets? I KNOW that shit is bull. I’ve even read on the internet of putting them on the fuel line to improve gas mileage. If that’s not crock….

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