Nightmares!
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This site is a little project that lets me make fun of some things and sense of others. I use it to think a little more relationally without resorting to doing actual math.
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October 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Funny, scary, and sad.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I’m a little sickened with myself…
I immediately though “abortion”
=/
P.S. I like the snazzy new layout & header!
October 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
U(Margaret Sanger, Clean surgical tools, Roe v. Wade)
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50,000,000 dead children
-and-
Countless psychologically destroyed women
October 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I really appreciate your creative blog, but this post is exceedingly offensive. You are better than simple partisanship or straw-man arguments. I expect better in the future.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Best one yet!
October 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Good for you to make a brave post, Jessica. My “choice moment” daughter turned four in September, and I’m thankful every day that it was my CHOICE to have her; she was not something forced into my world.
Nightmares, indeed. No woman should have to worry about someone else’s decision regarding her health…or her “health,” for that matter.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
whats with all the harsh comments? its a comic people. lay off..
i thought it was funny.. and its titled “NIGHTMARE”….
lovely new design btw
October 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I’ve been reading these for a while and I have to chime in about some of the posts I see.
This is not a news paper! There is no reason why it should be fair, balanced, or anything like that. This is one woman’s opinion.
If you don’t like what she says, fine. Just don’t expect her to stop doing it just because you don’t like it. That is, after all, what freedom of speech is all about.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Thank you for reminding us that Roe v. Wade didn’t create abortion, it just brought it out of the darkness.
Now if we could just do something about all the people who pile on guilt, blame, sin, and outrage that end up psychologically destroying women who have to choose. If the Scarlet Letter were written today, the “A” would not stand for adultery.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Actually, it’s the life of a small, unborn child that weighs down and tears at the hearts of women. I know because they’ve told me, because I’ve seen it. Of course, if we start saying that this is okay, people will feel less guilty. However, that’s true of anything: murder, rape, incest, stealing, polluting the environment, you name it. There are cultures where some of these are normal or encouraged.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
If you want a solid example, just check with Norma McCorvey (Roe in Roe v. Wade).
October 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
The new design is very cute, I like it.
When I was little I used to think being called Mommy Dearest was a good thing and I would call my Mom that for awhile until she corrected me.
“That hurts my feelings, Becky”
“Why?”
October 20th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Good one!
I’m always surprised by how many men seem to think they’re entitled to have an opinion about this. As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t have a uterus, you don’t get to weigh in on whether women have the choice.
(Also, if women didn’t have the choice, I’m sure those who would have chosen an abortion now have their hearts weighed down by a child they do not want or cannot support.)
October 20th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Sweet Benny,
You are correct in that these comics are based
on one woman’s opinion. But if she didn’t want
feedback, she wouldn’t have a discussion board
for them. It looks like we have a new, improved
board for them.
I don’t expect her to stop doing what she does
because of my opinion or anyone else’s. However,
if she notices that a particular type of cartoon
turns off a significant part of the audience (and
she can probably make a graph out of that), she
might reconsider the frequency of those things.
That would be a business decision because, like
it or not, this page sells books.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I’m just glad someone is tweaking the Christianist Fringe, in addition to being clever. Maybe that happens a lot.
Best,
D
October 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Had me lookin’ in wikipedia on this one.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Yay Jessica!
October 20th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
That’s what it’ll be like if this abortion ban passes in South Dakota or one of the other
states trying to pass something similar. A rise in coat hanger abortions and dumpster babies. And I see a direct correlation between foster homes and crime and too few actual adoptions taking place.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
So I am really intrigued how a funny ven diagram about a movie and a psycho actress/mother became a spark for a long argument/discussion/rant page about abortion… especially considering the work mentioned is aDOPtion (similar letters to aBORtion, and yet so completely different). Guess it just goes to show how little attention some people pay to details… Really its fascinating, but a bit (read incredibly) disappointing
October 21st, 2008 at 12:11 am
Love the new site, and a little controversy is a good way to start off, in my opinion.
October 21st, 2008 at 1:01 am
Ada
Men are entitled to have an opinion about this because, among other reasons, about half of the people killed by abortions are males.
October 21st, 2008 at 1:20 am
choice is nice and so are the up grades… if the baby is born and the father wanted nothing to do with the baby or if he wanted the kid to be aborted then he also should have a choice to be in or out of the baby’s life. that should be the only choice a man has on the matter…
October 21st, 2008 at 1:55 am
Alexis–
The “or 1972″ is a reference to abortion prior to Roe v. Wade, which is why everyone’s arguing about it.
As far as I’m concerned, this was an exceedingly clever connection of different ideas, which is what I generally really love about this site. Whether I agree with it or not, it was exceedingly clever. Also, if anyone cares what I think (doubtful, I know), this is Ms. Hagy’s blog through which she may express whatever view she chooses. The fact that she leaves it open to comments allows everyone else to do the same. However, Ms. Hagy also has the right to decide who she wants her audience to be. I assume that if you don’t like her work, she’s not intending for you to read it. Book sales will receive dents no matter what she does. You can’t please everyone. She might as well do what she wants.
P.S. Note on the new format–this may have just been my browser, but the text wrapping was a bit off in the text box for writing a comment. Some of what I wrote goes outside the box lol.
October 21st, 2008 at 1:58 am
is it just me, or the older comics look… fuzzier?
October 21st, 2008 at 2:32 am
itt people bitch about abortion
October 21st, 2008 at 5:06 am
I notice the comic doesn’t actually state a case for one side or the other; it’s just the facts. Before 1972, wire hangers and sketchy adoptions were two results of the unavailability of legal abortions. That’s not pro or con.
It’s like when someone talks about the number of war dead, they’re automatically seen to be as liberal or anti-war. What does that say about the opposing side, that speaking the truth is seen as a liberal thing to do?
October 21st, 2008 at 5:47 am
Being an unwanted child myself, I appreciate the thought. Deep.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Dharmamama-
I’m pretty sure this is pro-Roe. An anti-Roe post probably would not alert readers to the negative aspects of not having legal abortions.
BUT it’s okay to take one side on one’s own website. And while I DO think men deserve an opinion on the matter (though I don’t think the fact that many anti-abortion statutes were made by old white men is a coincidence), I think I’d rather just avoid the trouble. Regardless of my side, I won’t be admonishing Jessica for exercising her freedom of the press. Come on now people, it’s and index card.
October 21st, 2008 at 9:09 am
Right on with this cartoon. Early voting has started in most states, vote Obama to protect women’s right to stay safe and healthy and choose their own future.
October 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am
I think one of the best parts about your blog/new website is all of the people telling certain other people to lay off the harsh comments. Too often you see the comment section of a given website laden with arguments and harsh words. It’s nice to know that there are still level-headed people out there!
October 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Bravo for making a political statement. The point of your cards, to me, seems to be to make people think and reflect. Sometimes that = laughter, and sometimes, perhaps, a greater awareness of our world at the same time. This one may not provoke laughter, but it is provocative in the best of ways by pointing to frightening realities that we should not slide back into.
October 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am
P.S. Speaking the truth is obviously a liberal thing to do, if Sarah Palin can get away with lying baldfacedly to the press about how pleased she was that no ethical violations were found in the Troopergate case. Did she even read the outcome? I teach writing and critical thinking (including good research habits and the creation of authority as a writer/speaker), and most politicians would not get the highest marks in my courses based on what they deliver, omit, and gloss over. Palin would get an immediate FAIL, however, for blatant lying. It makes me sad and worried for how our nation’s future will turn out if people are praising her and developing a cult around her when she is so clearly a poor role model — not for her personal life: that I could care less about — but for her professional conduct.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Paul, Norma McCorvey can be a little hard to get a hold of, but you can just check with me instead. Fourteen years since my abortion at the age of barely-eighteen, and do you know how many seconds I’ve spent regretting it? Zero. Please keep me (and all the millions like me) in mind, the next time you go off talking about what abortion does to women.
Alexis, yikes, honey. Roe v. Wade = Jan 22 1973. History: it’s full of details.
What I *really* clicked into comments to say say was: Jessica, this is awesome. I’ve loved this site for ages and today I love it just that much more.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Hi Michelle, actually Norma is pretty easy to get in touch with. You can find her protesting Planned Parenthood and speaking across the country on a regular basis.
Regardless of whether you feel good or bad about it, there are also millions of women who feel opposite the way you do. I’ve personally met several of them. They’re the ones who’ve been pressured into abortion by boyfriends or husbands who threaten to abandon them. Their families and friends tell them they’d ruin their lives by having a child. Their parents force them into the operating room for “their own good” despite their tearful protests. These are the stories I hear over and over again.
Certainly it must be the case that there are millions of other women who’ve had abortions don’t feel any guilt about it. If one believes she hasn’t killed an innocent human being, then certainly she won’t feel guilt. Or, if you’re like a growing number of thinkers who believe it’s actually okay to kill someone who infringes on your perceived list of inherent personal freedoms, then again, you won’t feel guilty. There can be many reasons not to feel guilty for having an abortion.
And if you look to history, there are quite a few quite sane and rational people who have been utterly convinced that terrible things are just fine and dandy. They had no guilt either.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Re: Norma: My point. Too busy travelling the country and telling us all that because she’s sorry, we should be sorry too. —Except, wait, she can’t possibly be sorry, because she never *had* the abortion, because Roe v Wade took longer than 9 months to decide. I know that you people got to her and wore her down over the years, and I hope you feel good about that; but fact is, you’re a hypocrite and a dolt to hold up her opinion on the topic as some discussion-ending proof of *whatever*, but then tell me mine is meaningless. Because I’ve been there. And you know what? Still not sorry!
Re: Women who may feel the opposite of me: All adults make choices. Sometimes they’re tough ones. Sometimes we second-guess ourselves retroactively. Sometimes we even do it without a lot of lobbying/guilt/screaming-at-in-public-places from the radical right. That doesn’t mean the right to make choices should be taken away. Not even the tough ones.
Re: forced abortion: your straw man is very handsome, but don’t expect me to kiss it on the cheek. I’m on the side of any woman who wants to have a baby; I’m on the side of any woman who doesn’t. I am for CHOICE, whereas you appear to be for slippery rhetorical B.S.
Re: killing people: Definitely bad. Which is why I’ve never done it.
I won’t be further cluttering Jessica’s lovely blog with any more thoughts on the subject, so if you and your straw men would like the last word, be my guest.
P.S. By the way? Still not sorry!
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:26 am
Wow - a little too political. My wife and I adopted our son from S. Korea and are so grateful they don’t practice abortion there. As for “Choice”, I won’t even touch that one, I’m a guy. Clearly abortion procedures are safer today for the mother (who choose to relinquish that role), but what about the unborn child? Not safe for her, huh? There are alternatives!
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:29 am
Sorry - I do respect your freedom of speech, love your blog for the daily chuckles, think you are one of the best on the Web. And I am grateful you allow comments.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
@paul: Stop using personal anecdotes to
make a point. That you have met woman who think as you do does not proof a point. Show me relevant data or shut up.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
It’s amusing to me that liberals are “anti-war” (not wanting our soldiers to die, I suppose) and “pro-choice”(encouraging the death of unborn fetuses. Fetii? Whatever).
Why can’t it be “pro-peace” or “anti-preselection”? I think that attaching the negative stigma colors the way that the topics are viewed.
But then, I’m just a man (and a father). What could I possible know about anything, eh?
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
@blah, the point I was making was that abortion psychologically destroys many women. Having met many women who that’s happened to is actually proves the point for me. However, you may choose to believe that I’m a liar and also assume that because I’m against abortion, I would lie to prove my point. That seems a little far-fetched, and certainly cruel-hearted. I firmly believe that you can’t bring about good by using evil means (e.g. you can’t bring out truth by lying). It actually brings about more evil (adding to the lies) and certainly helps no-one.
Please notice that I also acknowledged that there are millions of women who don’t seem psychologically affected by abortion because they’ve justified it through their perception of reality or through rational argument.
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
You can always find people who regret making a choice. That doesn’t necessarily mean the choice should not exist.
Love this post — very poignant.
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I’m very interested in the right to make choices. Our legal system is based on laws that provide consequences to choices. For instance, speeders get tickets, lose their licenses, or go to jail depending on how fast they drive over the speed limit.
I don’t believe the pro-choice movement is about the right to choose something at all. Choice is inherent in all our laws; you can’t break one unless you choose to. Instead, it seems that the pro-choice movement exists to prevent or remove negative consequences for choosing to have an abortion. On the same note, the pro-life movement exists to establish penalties for such a choice.
Each have different driving motives. The pro-choice movement wants women to have complete autonomy over their bodies, to protect the health of women around the world, and to improve the quality of life for women. The ability to safely and legally have an abortion is seen as a (if not the) key to bringing this about in the near future. The pro-life movement wants to protect unborn children, considering them to be fully franchised persons, equal in value to their mothers. It also wants to provide ways for women to give children they don’t want or can’t support to those who value them and would care for them adequately. They believe that abortions kill innocent human beings in massive numbers and that abortion scars many women at a very deep level. Ending the practice of abortion is seen as the key to bring about justice for the unborn.
I’m curious to see if everyone agrees with this assessment!
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I’ve seen women devastated by their abortions, and I’ve seen women who have done it more than once and don’t feel any remorse whatsoever.
It is completely preposterous to be against the choice of a woman to decide when and how and with whom she will raise a child, just because we decide that she might regret it and suffer a trauma.
It’s like avoiding women from having a driver’s license because some women crash their cars and die.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Hmm, pro-life people aren’t against a choice, just the action that one chooses to take. It’s like being against lying in court, stealing, etc.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
But pro-life people want to criminalize a choice though. Effectively forcing the person to do something. i.e. against choice in that matter.
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Love this one Jessica and your site in general. Thanks for the wit and humour
Paul: you’ve made your point and we’ve no doubt where you stand on the issue - now please push off and find another soapbox.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 am
Paul: “the point I was making was that abortion psychologically destroys many women” Actually, what you were saying is that many women pressured into abortion were psychologically destroyed, not the same thing.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
@paul: I would take your point much more seriously if you can show me study that for example shows women who had an abortion had a statistically significant higher suicide rate than woman without an abortion, anything that makes your point scientifically valid. Not just anecdotes.
But since this is just throwing around opinions i will chime mine in. To me it seems if you force a 14 year old to have a baby because she can not have an abortion legally, you are more likely to destroy two futures than one for which we yet have to come to a consensus on if it even had one to begin with.
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ms. Hagy, I’m a first time poster and let me just say I love your site. It’s one of the best things that has come out of Blogs.
To commenters above, 3 comments:
1. Just to clarify, pro-choice is not synonymous with pro-abortion. I wish people would quit making that mistake.
2. In my opinion the result of Roe v Wade was to protect women from things such as wire hangers, to actually develop abortion into western medicine, and to refrain from birth defects from failed abortion attempts.
3. Even if abortion is outlawed, it’s still going to happen, whether it’s on the streets or in a hospital.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:28 am
I was talking to my mom who worked as a nurse in NYC in the 60’s. She said that a women could get abortions at the hospital provided they said to the hospital staff that they would try to do it themselves.
October 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I’ve read quite a few unsubstantiated opinions on this thread (and, as tempted as I am to put all this pharisaism I’ve read here back where it belongs, I will hold my beliefs to myself). But this one really cracked me up:
“anon Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 1:01 am
Ada
Men are entitled to have an opinion about this because, among other reasons, about half of the people killed by abortions are males.”
What a sound and valid argument.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2723513.stm
October 28th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Hardly partisanship, as someone suggested. It’s just Jessica’s opinion expressed as a very clever diagram - as usual.
Oh, and it’s quite obvious to anyone that abortion should be legal.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Just one more point… it would be legal if both men and women could be pregnant. Sure, in some societies it would still be illegal for women, and legal for men.