We’re all in this together.

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26 Responses to We’re all in this together.

  1. Anonymous says:


    Though, based on what I’ve read, Engels should just completely be encircled by Marx. :P

  2. Randon says:

    Actually, You should probably have Keynes in there someplace.

    Probably a circle for Engel within a circle for Marx with a square for Keynes intersecting both.

    Paulsons proposal is not Communist, by any stretch (He’s not talking about nationalizing the financial markets), but definitely a move from Friedmens free market economics toward Keynes Mixed economic theories.

    Economic Hobbiest/Nerd

  3. Redshift says:

    Ah, but he did come pretty close to nationalizing AIG.

  4. Mandaliet says:

    “Capitalism will always survive in the United States as long as the government is willing to use socialism to bail it out.” – Nathra Nader, Ralph Nader’s father

  5. Sarah says:

    Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

  6. Randon says:

    Actually, I think it is more Capitalism for the Rich, nothing for the poor.

  7. Anonymous says:

    “There are no atheists in foxholes and there are no ideologues in financial crises.” -Ben Bernacki

  8. Mike says:

    Too bad the social security trust fund wasn’t privatized. That would have funded PART of the bail out! Or bought a few more bullets for Iraq.

  9. jim schmidt says:

    Interesting how they want to privatize the profits, but socialize the losses. The ultimate in cake and eating it, too.

  10. hiitsme says:

    Wouldn’t the bail out cost nothing to the tax payer? After all, everybody who ever quoted Reagan approvingly

    “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.'”

    which surely includes every official at every financial institution in distress, will not accept or use the government’s money?

    (insert your favorite irony/sarcasm sign here)

  11. librarianwoes says:

    More like:

    Hard Place

    American Citizen


    Trampled Rights
    War on 2 Fronts
    Financial Ruin

    / AMERICA >

  12. Thomas says:

    $700 Billion. Wow.

    I bet you could buy a house in Southern California with that kind of money.

  13. Sleepy G says:

    i wish George Orwell was still alive

  14. Randon says:

    Oh, I think George Orwell is alive and well, or at least his vision is alive and well.

  15. Angela says:

    I WISH. Marx/Engles’s vision of communism (largely stolen from the practices of indigenous peoples in the Americas) was aimed at spreading the wealth evenly, so that both the gains and losses were shared. I’m not saying I agree entirely with communism as Marx and Engles envisioned it, but it was a hell of a lot better than what’s going on right now.

    Ex-Goldman Sachs CEO Paulson’s plan is really just a nice show of exploitation. He’s saying, “look, we’ve broken your markets, and demand 700,000,000,000 dollars to even think about fixing them.” That money comes primarily from the poor and middle classes, and goes to the super-rich who already have lots of personal wealth. Do they really need that much? And why can’t it be reviewed in court/congress? And why isn’t it a loan? Will the bailout actually work? There are serious questions that need to be discussed.

    Privatizing the gains and “socializing” the losses =/= Communism or Socialism. It does equal ever hardcore capitalists wet dream, though….

  16. Anonymous says:

    Recent Finance issue nearly caused an insurance company to bankrupt.

    Who fault? Shouldn’t we take this opportunity to tune back the incorrect system, or we will wait till the next few generations to meet the similar issues again…..?

    Should the top management bare responsibility….?

    The top management of the ( not private company ) listed company salary should be tied a portion of it to the shares…. so when the shares price drop, it don’t just penalize the investors, but those who don’t take care of the company…..

    They only talk about how bad the crsis will be, but they did not give regulation measures…..

    Since the congress is discussing….. Shouldn’t we concern about its individual congress members standpoint and their opposition candidates standpoint within their own states…….

    Should $700b be pump into the all industries of the economy instead?


    是谁的错。。。。? 不在这个时候扶正回来,难道要等到下几代在遇到同样的事吗?






  17. Smashed says:

    Maybe instead of “Engels”, it should be “Mussolini”

  18. Smashed says:

    … and it’s Socialism for the Rich, Fascism for the poor.

  19. Anonymous says:

    It should be "Hitler" + "Mussolini", not Marx & Engels. Fascism was 1930s capitalism's response to crisis, and used the State to shore up elite capitalists interests.

    Just like the American tax payer is bailing out the broken finance "industry" today, the Germans bailed out the broken steel, railroad, etc. industries in 1930s fascist Germany.

    Like others said earlier, this is all about "socializing" losses. It's sick. If the taxpayer is going to have to bail out the people who hold their mortgages, they should at least not have to pay interest anymore…

  20. Jesse says:

    What does not kill the market makes it … stranger.

  21. Anonymous says:

    Simplistic idiots

    Tin Foil Hat conspiracy theorists


  22. Will Farris says:

    Herm. Lots of commie readers here. (Sarcasm FYI) But seriously… We got the power here, you don’t want to fund it, don’t pay taxes. Or leave. Thats my plan.

  23. bobvis says:

    will, even if you leave, you are still legally obligated to pay taxes, unfortunately.

  24. mijnheer says:

    Marx and Engels would not want to bail out capitalism. Their vision of communism was one in which the state (inherently an instrument of class oppression) had withered away.

    The Engels circle should be entirely inside the Marx circle? Wrong. Engels made original theoretical contributions in terms of his “dialectics of nature”, which greatly influenced Lenin and became the foundation of “dialectical materialism”. Many scholars doubt that dialectical materialism is even compatible with Marx’s own theory of history.

  25. raysways says:

    Angela, you have NO CLUE. Schmitt, dead on. As to intervention, the reason at the moment is political, not ideological – the gov. has a responsibility to “maintain orderly markets”. Here it means to put a stop to the panic before there is more arbitrary damage – the runaway train, so to speak.

  26. Anonymous says:

    Well, I have been away from the media for almost 24 hours, so this story was not in the front of my consciousness, so when I first saw the diagram, I immediately interpreted it with Pat Paulson and Groucho Marx, and Engels being Engles… Pat Paulson was a comic who mock-ran for President years ago, for those too young to get the reference. Current situation not near so funny, sad to say… –Dana