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31 Responses to “The world used to be flat.”

  1. The idea that most people used to believe that the world is flat is a modern myth. Thus the assumption that you need to question is not quite the one I think you intend.

    The curvature of the earth is something that we can all see with our own eyes by looking out to sea as a ship approaches or departs, so it is difficult to understand why this myth is so prevalent.

  2. People did believe that the world was flat, the modern myth is the time period. People think that Columbus went out to prove the world was round, but at the time, this was accepted as fact.

    Trade boats in olden times generally stayed within view of the coastline, allowing them to know where they were more accurately. The “curvature of the earth” might appear instead as a steep drop-off, leading to the theory that earth was flat.

  3. Dan - Eratosthenes lived around 200BC, and provided the most solid empirical proof of the spherical nature of the Earth. But the idea was popularized three hundred years earlier, by Pythagoras, and it was commonly accepted by the time Eratosthenes showed up.

    Basically, for the majority of recorded history, it’s been widely held that the Earth is round. Once people started traveling across the equator, observing the stars, and sailing, it became obvious that the Earth was round.

    So, yes, technically, before anyone had any reason to think the Earth was round, they did think it was flat, but it was in the early days of Western civilization that the reality was established.

  4. I found it amusing,

  5. I’d rather think it has to do with modern religion

  6. That is why we now have MythBusters.

  7. This is equally applicable to modern science as to superstitions, if not more so. The human urge to accept things blindly doesn’t go away with a scientific education; we mostly just get better at arguing our priors. Ideally, of course, science would always question the center, even its own, but that is something of a rarity in practice.

  8. “it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority”

    Benjamin Franklin

  9. @Bret I am so with you there.
    and thanks Jessica, I now have the perfect thing to put on my science folders

  10. ecumenopolis0 Says:

    Ah, Seasmith, the words from my mouth!

  11. Is progress always good? Or are we just being introspective, here?

  12. Religion.

  13. Positivism?

  14. FrankenChrist Says:

    Chris H: It is always easier to pin ignorance onto those who can’t answer you. Therefore we will continue to teach our kids moronic things like “flat earth-belief was prevalent”.

  15. I think a better title would be “The Sun used to revolve around the Earth.”

  16. How can you disagree that flat earth belief was prevelent?
    Think about it — if you didn’t have the benefit of astronomy and the law of gravity, and you just understood the universe as you see it, wouldn’t you believe the earth is flat? Wouldn’t it be likely that this belief was prevelent before those discoveries?
    At any rate, good graph.

  17. Yess, dear Jess. You remind me of a friend who wrote, under “Religious Preference” in a hospital form, “Iconoclast.”

  18. This is a great index card. It is really a metaphor for how wrong conventional wisdom can be in many fields. Finance comes to mind

  19. …Little known fact: One of the early missions of NASA’s space program was to prove, by visual confirmation, that the Earth is round.

    Don’t you remember? History tells us that nothing exists until a White Man sees it for himself.

    My favorite take on this cartoon, “In God we trust; all others we investigate.”

  20. Ubiquitous in effect + Practiced by people = Religion

    Practiced by people + Accepted as fact = tapping a soda can before you open it so it doesn’t explode

    Accepted as fact + Ubiquitous in effect = Eating less to lose weight

  21. Jimmy:

    Ooh, racism! My favorite!

  22. Henryk Wistreich Says:

    Just another beautiful card, Jessica. Goes for a lot of other things, too - not just the flat Earth.

    @Chris H: Thanks - that’s a very interesting page on the flat Earth in Wikipedia. It appears that I - like probably most people nowadays - did believe in the myth of most people having believed in the flat-Earth myth in certain periods (which, BTW, they might have). Which, in a funny way, confirms the index card. What do you know…

    In general, it may be true that most people tend to believe whatever most people tell them to; I’m no exception. But: it’s not easy to see beyond what one holds to be true. It may take some powerful tools to keep one’s sceptical mind up. What seems to work for me is repeating the mantra “Eat shit; five billion flies just can’t be wrong”. That sort of reminds me that not everything everybody says is necessarily true.

  23. This is the heretic’s challenge!

  24. No scholar since at least the ancient Greeks has thought the earth was flat. This is a myth propagated by incompetent researchers.

    Any seagoing civilization has ample resources to lay this myth to rest. And almost all ancient civilizations have used the sea to some extent or the other, whether for travel or trade. Don’t believe people who spread these kind of “facts” this one is very outdated.

  25. Oh, you mean like Human Caused Global Warming?

  26. Hmm.. I wouldn’t say “any” seafaring culture could figure it out. Only ones with telescopes. The original point stands; at some point everyone believed the earth was flat.

  27. I believe earth is flat! The sinking ship theory has long been ruled out. It is a proven fact that we see only the top of the ship because of limitations of human sight. If we see with telescope, ship appears full, Earth IS Flat!

  28. Just because the Earth was proved round doesn’t mean it wasn’t proved flat. Round and flat are two different things.

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  30. Smedley Underfoot Says:

    “Most people believed that the earth was flat” goes hand in hand with “Columbus discovered America”.

    Positing that the world’s scholars believed the world was flat (when, as noted, that is demonstrably not true, and it didn’t require telescopes or ships, just geometry to prove it) is one way to turn Columbus from an incompetent idiot to a visionary hero.

    I do like having a day off in October, but do we have to lie to ourselves to get it?

  31. arab scholars measured the circumference of the earth for the first time in the 9th century AD:

    “Around 830 AD, Caliph al-Ma’mun commissioned a group of astronomers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to al-Raqqah, in modern Syria. They found the cities to be separated by one degree of latitude and the distance between them to be 66⅔ Arabic miles (131 km) and thus calculated the Earth’s circumference to be 24000 Arabic miles (47,000 km), a value which differs from modern estimates by about 18.6%.”

    from:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

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